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Beating the Dead Horse

Sun May 4, 2008, 6:41 PM
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So. It's a topic I'm sure has been discussed a thousand times by a thousand different posters on Dev Art, and probably at some point even in my own journal ages ago. But it's been on the brain again recently as the con season has started up again and I think it warrants another discussion, if only to see where everyone else stands on the issue.

Selling fanart.

It's a taboo topic no one likes to admit to, like pirating music/dvds. At what point do you step back and say "That's too far, you're definitely stepping on corporate toes and you're going to get in trouble." What are your thoughts about selling commissioned works of Spidey or Ghost Rider at a con? What about selling sketchbook compilations that might include a rendition of Batman or Superman inside? What about selling individual prints on a website store? What about t-shirts? What about other cafe-press type merchandise featuring copyrighted characters?

There's the argument that you're only selling on a miniscule level, to a handful of people, and not mass marketing your fan art. But it's still illegal, right? What about only charging shipping fees to cover the cost of mailing a piece of fan art? You're not profiting, so is it still illegal?

I think I remember Nick trying to design a t-shirt back in the college days featuring copyrighted Marvel characters. He wrote to a Marvel rep and asked permission to design and print the t-shirt, for non-profit, and I think I remember them telling them he couldn't even do that. So I assume any sort of distribution, for profit or not, is considered illegal.

That would mean at some point or another, all of us, simply by drawing and uploading fanart would be a criminal act, if we take the law to the letter, right? I mean, current copyright laws say that the minute you create something it's been copyrighted. Stands true for fanart too, I assume.

Thoughts, you criminals? :)

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I, personally, feel that if you are commissioned to do a drawing and that drawing is of a copywritten character that it isn't that bad. You're being paid for the service of creating the art.

Placing an image you created on t-shirts or other merchandise/prints/et cetera would be way on the other end of the spectrum. Because it's semi-mass producing. You could argue they are paying for the act of printing instead of the drawing itself, but it's not as easy an argument since it's drawn and just has to be purchased by one or many people.

Does that make sense?

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That's typically the way I feel about commissions as well. Though it doesn't really make it right. :/

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Your right saying it’s a touchy subject, that has more then once been whispered about the DA dinner table.

But I personally have to say its your art, sell it if you want to. You drew it, you didn’t trace, there for, your character or not, it’s still your art.

Every picture I do is a little part of me, how can a company or another artist even say I cant sell a little part of me for someone else to enjoy? It’s part of you, and no longer them.
I’ve sold fanart. I plan to continue, it makes people happy, it makes me happy! And Hasbro and Marvel and every other company can pry that right out of my cold dead fingers. Because as long as I can draw and imagine, then fan art will be there. I think I’m speaking for a lot of fan-artiest there.

I don’t think any of that made any cense, but it made me feel good to get it out. XD

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Surely you could contact the company that owns the copyrighted characters an get the rights to distrubute their designs - much like using music in media productions. Obviously a portion of profits would have to go to the originators, but again that only works for large scale items.

For smaller things such as Deviant art, it's a pain and unfair. I know for music use in small scale you can buy a license that includes the use of certain tracks, a sorta yearly subscription that covers all music. Pehaps thers something similar for artwork?

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I feel like the main fear of copyright infringement, for the corporations, is the fear of losing potential sales on their material, possibly being defamed for someone messing with their characters in a way that embarrasses or otherwise, but more or less because of the principle of the thing.

Who am I kidding? I'm fairly certain it has more to do with losing money than anything else. We live in a greedy world. :/

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I haven't looked into that, but it's an interesting idea. I don't know how that would work though, considering music use is pretty much you just using the music in an unaltered form, right? With art you're taking an idea and completely making it your own with your personal artistic vision. It's like an intangible thing to tax.

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i think that for a site like dA, with all the whining that goes on here about "stealing characters" and "original art", it shouldn't even be a problem. i've seen people start flamewars because someone else created a similar character, or because someone was tracing their art and posting it (not selling it) on dA, or even just for posting someone else's pictures on their LJ.
it just doesn't seem right to me that anyone here should think it's okay to sell anything depicting a copyrighted character if they're gonna turn around and start whining about how "OMG SOMEONE STOLE MY ART" just by posting it somewhere else.
as far as i'm concerned, it works both ways; if no one's allowed to copy, save, or alter anything from dA, then no one should be allowed to make money off of fanart.

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I think that as long as you don't sell it, it's okay. Or if you do it in miniscule ammounts. After all, the characters might not be yours, but the art is. And really, as long as...

Yeah, I don't know.

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It’s all about the money, even the potential of defacement due to fanart. It makes the world go around. They have all of it and we have none. Therefore any and all lawsuits on such an act would immediately win.
It’s just being fearless ( or stupid, depending on who you talk to) enough not to give a crap. XD

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